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FromBill McGarrity0:0/0.0Date Write2018-06-21 13:11:00
ToGregory Deyss0:0/0.0Date Arrived2018-06-21 21:20:02
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-=> Gregory Deyss wrote to Bill McGarrity on 06-20-18 20:59 <=-


BM> -=> Gregory Deyss wrote to Bill McGarrity on 06-19-18 23:30 <=-
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BM> BM> Glad to hear your ancestors were hard working people but I must ask o
BM> BM> question. Did they, like so many, apply for a permanent residency vis
BM> BM> at a US Embassy in Germany and wait ten years for it to be processed
BM> BM> did they travel to Hamburg, hop on a frigette, take the trip to NYC
BM> BM> (less Lady Liberty), get off the boat and catch the next wagontrain t
BM> BM> Albany?
BM>
BM> GD> I honestly do not know if there was a US Embassy in Hamburg, way back
BM> GD> then in Germany. I would like to find out as I have been wanting to
BM> GD> discovery about family history, and I wonder if I have relatives that
BM> GD> exist in Germany.
BM>
BM> I doubt it very much but that's ok.... you missed my point totally.

GD> You mean I did not fall for your trap, naturally I would not.

No, it wasn't a 'trap' but in hindsight, with your paranoia I can see how you'd
see it that way. All I was asking for was a yes or no. (shrug)


BM>
BM>
BM> BM> Really? Did your ancestors have documented paperwork by the US Embass
BM> BM> Germany before stepping foot on US soil?
BM>
BM> GD> I could ask you the same question did your ancestors, did they have t
BM> GD> required paperwork from the US Embassy in Ireland before stepping foo
BM> GD> on US soil?
BM>
BM> Probably not. My maternal ancestors were here from the 1830's and I know
BM> they never had any paperwork to enter the country. They were seaman
BM> though so I can only assume there were crewmembers and decided to stay.
BM> Don't think paperwork other than declaring yourself was all that was
BM> needed back then. Guess the government was worried about all the GOP
BM> boogiemen. I know my 4x great uncle served in the Merchant Marines
BM> during the Civil War and by then was aturalized.
BM>
BM> GD> I have a question for you, does any of this matter now, because we ar
BM> GD> both Americans. I would think that both of our ancestors came here
BM> GD> through ellis island.
BM>
BM> Sure it does and as I explained above, not all mine did. Ellis Island
BM> was a port-of-entry and I'll bet 98% of those who were immigrating had
BM> NO papers other than the clothes on their back. So the excuse of 'my
BM> anscestors came through Ellis Island' is propaganda. Actully, it would
BM> help the very type of immigration your fighting against. That's my
BM> point. Ellis Island is a false narrative for the Trump generation.
BM>
BM> GD> I wonder what would of happened if one decided that they wanted
BM> GD> to take the thought process of today's undocumented immigrant and jus
BM> GD> had the thought to themselves, you know what I am not going to ellis
BM> GD> island to be processed, I want to skip the lines, jump out of the boa
BM> GD> and swim to shore.
BM>
BM> Greg, the fact still remains NONE of them had immigration paperwork and
BM> were considered refugees. I'm not really sure what type of hardship
BM> there was in Germany back then (I'm sure I could look it up if I was of
BM> German ancestry) but I do know mine were fleeing the British control
BM> under the disguise of the potato famine.
BM>
BM> GD> All I can tell you Bill, we are a sovereign nation of laws, if the la
BM> GD> are ignored then we have no country.
BM>
BM> I agree yet Trump decided to change the law for asylum/refugee seekers
BM> making their first time entry a felony rather than a misdemeanor. You do
BM> understand the precidence he set. It could be argued that any
BM> misdemeanor could warrant the removal of any child from a family where a
BM> parent/guardian commits a misdemeanor. That includes simple assault,
BM> reckless driving, DUI, creating a disturbance.... etc. See how things
BM> can spiral from one act of reckless insanity?
BM>
BM> I am not against a more defined immigration policy and it should be done
BM> but the man's insanity blaming the 'other' party is childish.

GD> No its not he a President not a dictator.

LOL... in his eyes he is. What was he saying a few days ago... "It's the
democrats that can change this.... only in Congress can this be changed." Three
days later he signs an EO and claims a great victory. I find it hilarious
Trumpsters call this monumental. He creates a problem, let's it get out of hand
where he can't control it anymore and then rides into the Oval office on his
white steed and flowing red cape, signs his name and says, "All fixed".

GD> This has
BM> been going on for decades no matter which party controlled the
BM> legislative branch. The 'wall' is a pipe dream. It's never going to
BM> happen but it certainly was a good talking point on his behalf,
BM> especially where Mexico was going to pay for it. Y'll feel for that
BM> hook, line and sinker.

GD> Don't think so, the wall is already up in parts.
GD> As far as Mexico paying for it, just you wait.

Yes, 640 miles put up by Bush II that civil lawsuits by landowners are still be
debated for land payments.

Regarding Mexico paying for it, you must really enjoy your fantasy world.

You know what I find highly disturbing, foreigners know more about American
immigration than natural citizens. When the Reagan administration decided to
cut funding for civics classes (actually all subjexts) and promote schools to
redistribute those resources to football programs, societial knowledge has
taken a nosedive into the oblivion. That's a shame. Glad I was taught it.
Passed it on to my daughters as well.

For your educational purpose, here are two sites that will help you understand
the timeframe on immigration changed. Hopefully you'll gain some knowledge so
you can pass it on to the other ilk in your fantasy world.

https://libertyellisfoundation.org/ellis-island-history#Policy

or

https://tinyurl.com/y7jjllaz

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did-my-family-really-come-legally-todays-immigration-laws-created-a-new-reality

or

https://tinyurl.com/ydyzzu9a

Happy reading... hope you come back with a better understanding thast your
statement "our ancestors came here legally" is quite misleading.




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