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FromJanis Kracht1:261/38.0Date Write2018-06-20 12:21:24
ToRobert Bashe0:0/0.0Date Arrived2018-06-20 19:40:21
SubjWar With Russia
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Sorry Bob, Illegal entry is still a misdemeanor. The difference is that Trump
unlike previous administrations has decided that all immigrants who enter
illegally should be detained separate from their children thus making the
children unaccompanied minors who have to be detained. Previous
administrations did not detain families with children who entered illegally.
Unless there were other compelling reasons those families were released from
custody pending a hearing. As you point out, that is what normally happens in
misdemeanor cases.

Trump has chosen the most repressive policy allowed by the 1997 Consent Decree
(not a Democratic law as Trump constantly calls it). No other administration
has interpreted the Consent Decree in this way. It's also rich that Trump
claims that the Democrats have to change this 'law' when Republicans control
both houses of Congress and the Presidency. That's a clear indication that he
doesn't just want to change this 'law' but rather he's holding the children as
hostages to get the Democrats to pay a ransom i.e. agree to provide the funds
for his border wall.


> Lee Lofaso wrote to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday June 19 2018 at 13:07:

>> It is the policy of the Trump administration to separate parents from
>> their children.

> My understanding is that innocent dependents are _always_ separated from
> arrested persons accused of a felony, which is the case here. And that this
> does _not_ depend on the type of felony. Accused murderers and kidnappers are
>also not incarcerated together with their children. Nor are persons accused of
> lesser felonies.

> So this particular thing doesn't happen to be a Trump speciality. But see
> below.

>> It was never the policy of the GWB administration, or the Obama
>> administration, to do so.

>It most certainly was. However, the critical difference between then and now i
> that a first-time illegal entry into the USA was previously classed as a
> misdemenor. Those accused of a misdemenor are not generally separated from
> dependents, as their punishment is generally only a fine, not a prison term.
> And nobody puts children into prison for the crimes of their parents.

> The big change is that it's now classed as a felony and thus the law (not one
> made by Trump) takes its course.

>THIS is what you can blame Trump for, but NOT for the fact that accused felons
> are separated from dependents. That was always the case.

> So campaign to reduce a first-time illegal entry back to the status of a
> misdemenor, and the problem would be solved. Trump could do this with the
> stroke of a pen. But his policy is to attempt to fan the flames he caused by
> making a first-time illegal entry a felony instead of a misdemenor, and shift
> the hue and cry to the Democrats. That is natually untrue, but in his eyes
> politically expedient. So he will stick to his guns (no pun intended), do
>nothing, and keep blaming the opposition for the mess he has caused by changin
> the status of a first-time illegal entry. THAT was in his interest, and (he
> hopes) may still get his party votes in the upcoming congressional elections.

> Cheers, Bob

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