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FromGerrit Kuehn2:240/12.0Date Write2018-06-13 19:54:27
ToRobert Bashe0:0/0.0Date Arrived2018-06-13 21:41:01
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Hello Robert!

13 Jun 18 19:27, Robert Bashe wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

GK>> Which does not exist by law in Germany. Please read Art. 38 of the
GK>> Grundgesetz, it clearly states that all representatives are free.
GK>> No-one "MUST vote" according to any group.

RB> Just because there is no LAW doesn't mean there is no pressure to
RB> vote with the fraction.

Of course there is pressure. But there is no "MUST".

RB> And you know as well as I that anyone who
RB> broke ranks and voted against the fraction would have a hard time
RB> getting a good "Listenplatz" in the next election.

Actually, I think this habit largely came around in the 1970s or so, when the
coalition treaties became more and more detailed. This is what we should
actually criticise: The politics for the full term are more or less laid out in
the coalition treaties written by few people, and the individual politicians
are expected to vote according to that afterwards.

RB> For those unfamiliar with German politics, the national elections
RB> give the voter two votes: one for a person, and one for a party. The
RB> party vote then determines who is elected (assuming a candidate does
RB> not win with the personal vote, which happens, but is less common).

No, this is not "less common", it is exactly 1:1. 50% of the seats go to
individually elected people, 50% go to people elected via lists. If you win a
personal seat, it does not matter how the party vote goes, the seat is yours.

RB> The party then decides who is at the top of the list, and who is at
RB> the bottom.

No, they decide that in advance, before the election takes place.

RB> Those at the top of the list nearly always get into
RB> parliament, those at the bottom only rarely. So it's importent for a
RB> candidate to get a "good" plece in the list, since otherwise the
RB> chances of being elected vanish quickly. Tghus, the party has a way
RB> of pressuring candidates to vote the party line.

True enough.

GK>> Sure, if you're constantly voting against the majority of your party,
GK>> they'll think twice before they support you running on one of their
GK>> lists next time. No big wonder, ain't it?

RB> Of course not. Why do you attempt to dispute that, citing "law"?

Because you attempted to sell it as a "MUST" (even in capitals), leading people
unfamiliar with our system to the opinion that they were legally required to do
so (which would make their presence in the parliament completely useless, btw).
After all, we're not China.


Regards,
Gerrit

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