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FromBOB ACKLEY1:123/140.0Date Write2018-05-14 16:55:16
ToLEE LOFASO0:0/0.0Date Arrived2018-05-15 00:20:16
SubjWhat if USA had stayed home after WWII?
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> Hello Bob,
>
> LL>>>> Atomizing two Japanese cities did nothing to end the war in the
> LL>>>> Pacific, as Japan had already been defeated.
>
> RB>>> Had it?
>
> >> Some people think so.
>
> BA>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshi
> BA> ma_an
>
>
> >> ---
> >> The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb
> BA> played no
> >> decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat
of
> BA> Japan.
> >> - Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S.
> BA> Pacific Fleet
>
> BA> In point of fact the Japanese government asked its ambassador in
Moscow
> BA> to have the Russians approach the Americans to set up a meeting to
> BA> discuss ending the war in the Pacific. Russia chose not to pass
that
> BA> along. The story is, among other places, in David Kahn's "THe
> BA> Codebreakers," which was published in the late 1960s. Kahn
published an
> BA> updated edition of the book in about 1996.
>
> President Truman was very much aware of the Japanese offer
> to surrender - which was made a full month *before* the atomic
> bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman rejected the offer
> because he wanted *two* things -
>
> 1. an unconditional surrender
> 2. to send a clear warning to the USSR
>
> After atomizing two Japanese cities, Emperor Hirohito
> cried uncle. And the Soviets stopped their advance, knowing
> who was next on Truman's hit list.
>
> Kahn's thesis refuted.

Hardly. According to Kahn, while the US did intercept the Japanese
diplomatic traffic to Moscow, due to the wartime backlog it wasn't
decrypted and translated until AFTER the nukes had been dropped.

Hirohito's decision to surrender was based, among other things, on radio
broadcasts made by a US Navy officer (whose name I can't recall at the
moment), and was made before the nukes were dropped. Unfortunately he
had no way to communicate that decision to the Allies (read: US) and
Uncle Joe took no action to do so.

Note that Uncle Joe declared war on Japan the day after the first nuke
was dropped, and for less than a week of very minor hostilities expected
to have a major role in post-war Japan - MacArthur told the Russians to
get bent and wouldn't allow them into the country. Note that throughout
the war US shipping of war materials between west coast ports and
Vladivostok was not molested by the Japanese navy (some of that war
material was very quietly trans-shipped from Vladivostok to Japan).
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