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FromWard Dossche2:292/854.0Date Write2018-05-14 18:27:23
ToRobert Bashe0:0/0.0Date Arrived2018-05-14 19:40:01
SubjRe: The 2001-09-11 "atta
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RB>WD> Montana is pretty non-busy airspace except above 30,000ft and
RB>WD> everybody has their transponder on.

RB> Private planes generally use VFR and fly at altitudes below 5,000 feet.
RB> The altitude you mention is far outside their capabilities.

Every time I'm in Montana we go flying ... Piper PA28, Cessna-172, Cirrus-22,
... The airport of Missoula is at about 3200ft. It's located in a valley. On a
good day you can climb out of it VFR, on a cloudy/rainy/smoky day you need to
fly an IFR-path out of the valley. You need to be at 8000ft in order to clear
the mountain ranges. We have gone up to 9000ft to go over the Mission Mountain
Range, if you fly lower ... well ... not healthy.

So much for 5000ft. The ceiling of the Cessna-172 and Piper PA28 is about
13000ft. Actually, they can get higher, but oxygen then becomes a problem.

With the Cirrus-22 (also single prop, 4 seats) we went to 17000ft to fly over
Glacier National Park (and I have photos to prove it). Yes, it is pressurised,
full glass cockpit, incredible. I want one.

RB>WD> I've got some commercial aviation friends on 747 777 and 737 and they
RB>WD> say that these small planes are now better equipped than their big
RB>WD> jets are.

RB> Second-hand information abut unknown planes. What is "small"? Amd what do
RB> "friends" on the large airliners know about private planes?

1) As mentioned before ... Cessna-172, Piper PA28 Arrow, Cirrus 22. 4 seaters
propeller driven

2) Some of the pilot-friends on the large airliners are instructors in
flying schools. A 777-captain once took me up in a PiperCub during very
windy conditions. There obviously is a difference between steering a plane
and piloting one. This guy understood aerodynamics and things. Shaking
and ratling like hell, yet comfortable because the pilot demonstrated he
knew what he was doing.

RB>WD> Also I think in the mid-60-ies there were no transponders and
RB>WD> certainly no TCAS.

RB> I don't know, only that there was never one in any plane I flew.

I think transponders and TCAS ar something from the last 3 decades. Prior to
that separation techniques were rather crude.

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