FromWard Dossche2:292/854.0Date Write2018-05-14 15:59:28
ToRobert Bashe0:0/0.0Date Arrived2018-05-14 17:11:00
SubjRe: What if USA had stayed home after WWII?


RB>RB>> And it had tried several times to allow jewish passengers to debark
RB>RB>> in South America and the Caribbean, before it's landing in the USA
RB>RB>> was forbidden. In the end, it returned to Germany, but first stopped
RB>RB>> in the Netherlands, where some of it's passengers debarked. The rest
RB>RB>> returned to Germany and a very uncertain future.

RB>WD> Bullshit.

RB> Thanks for disputing the Wikipedia account. Now all we have to do is to
RB> decide which is more believeable.

RB>WD> All the passengers disembarked there, not just "some".

RB> This contradicts the facts of the matter. And the later survivors of the
RB> ship who returned to Germany.

When you quote a webpage, it might be useful to read it yourself first:

"The ship returned to Europe, docking at Antwerp, Belgium, on June 17, 1939
with 907 passengers." ... That's Belgium, not the Netherlands.

"The United Kingdom agreed to take 288 (32%) of the passengers, who disembarked
and traveled to the UK via other steamers. After much negotiation by Schröder,
the remaining 619 passengers were allowed to disembark at Antwerp; 224 (25%)
were accepted by France, 214 (23.59%) by Belgium, and 181 (20%) by the

In the page you quote it is clearly stated all the passengers disembarked in

The onlyones that returned to Germany did so after May 10th 1940 ... in
cattle cars ... not voluntary.

The page further states that "Scott Miller and Sarah Ogilvie of the United
States Holocaust Memorial Museum did an actual historical trace on the fate of
each passenger". This is exactly as I described in a previous message. I worked
for both Scott and Sarah and have documentation to prove it. I contributed to
the display in the Washington DC USHMM.

The Wikipedia page which you referenced tells exactly the same story as I did,
with 4 exceptions:

First I put the year at 1938 off the top of my head, it's 1939. That's my own

Second, Saint Louis did NOT return to Germany as the Wikipedia page suggest. I
have seen the New York docking record of it mid-June of that year. The crossing
direct from Antwerp to New York was used to overhaul the ship as it had
suffered from more than 30 days uninterrupted usage with no maintenance.

Third, it was not repaired after the war. The hulk of the ship burned
completely, nothing was left from the inside, the teak decks ... everything
gone. I have seen a copy of the bill of sale to a scrapyard in 1946.

Fourth, the disembarkation in Antwerp was not negotiated by Captain Schroeder
but by the Jewish Joint Distribution Committee.

There are a few minor details which equally are incorrect but of lesser

There's a lot of stuff in Wikipedia, some of it is true, some of it isn't. It
is not an officially maintained encyclopedia with a scientific committee.

Bob, I was part of the research team.


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